Yahoo Groups March 26 2006 “Body Language”

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:12:20 -0600
From:
Subject: Re: Re: Reporter Drill Day 3…

Sorry Chun, i misread the drill, George Straightened me out.

I get it about the group approach. I commend you for going out there and doing
this! Believe me, this kind
of drill will help you obtain the “inner game” that i posted about earlier this
week.

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Chunwah Ho”
> To: seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [seduction_dating] Re: Reporter Drill Day 3…
> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:20:29 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>
> — michaelchina@lordkingllc.com wrote:
>
> > Tell me if i am wrong, but are you REALLY pretending
> > to be a reporter? Is that what you say to the person
> > you talk to? That you are a reporter? Perhaps you
> > get neg responses on occassion because the person
> > does not believe you are REALLY a reporter. On the
> > other hand, if you are doing it tongue in cheek, and
> > it is clear you are NOT a reporter, but you are
> > using that just as a guise to start a conversation,
> > some women, especially some of the hottest, will
> > think “well why didn’t this guy just come up to me
> > and say hello and start a conversation, instead of
> > using this ruse?” Sometimes “routines” just aren’t
> > necessary. A simple hello and an open ended question
> > based on observation and study of that particular
> > female and females generally, will work…
>
> I am already finished with the reporter drill. Right
> now I am experimenting with different types of
> indirect openers. What you are saying COULD work but I
> am approaching primarily in malls (a rather fast pace
> environment). Also my understanding is direct openers
> works better with singles than with groups.
>
> Chun
>

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:57:49 -0000
From: “BrodToddman” Subject: Re: Body Language

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, dee fex wrote:
>
> Great Post! I occasionally try to remember to try to pay attention
to body language, but David I like your man’s man attitude better.
Someone wrote that this site is more about attitude than anything
else and now I’m beginning to see that. This was helpful. I kind of
fall into the trap of trying to interpret all body language. But,
your no-nonsense approach is cutting through the mung in the air.
Now I just need to develop more nerve and not let it get to me if it
all blows up in my face and more on.

Come to think of it I probably have blown more than a handful of
seductions with attractive girls and didn’t even realize it!

Possibly, if was a little more assertive with what I want instead of
being all namby pamby, I could have scored with the girls I have
desired over the years.

I have been reading a book called How to be Successful with Women and
it offers some good practical and logical advice. It seems to
parallel what is being said on this site much of the time. Why is it
that the logical and straight ahead things allude us so much on the
road to happiness. Is it the media trying to make us feel shitty all
the time with unrealistic representations of life.>
> ahahahahahaha!!
>
> David your posts rock man. I’m not overly focused
> on these types of body language issues but your
> point hit home non-the-less. Anything more than
> a few seconds spent noticing / interpreting
> these things could be way too much!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Danny
>
> David Caswell wrote: — In
seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “nitz_boy” wrote:
> >
> > Gentlemen,
> > I approached a very beautiful young lady got her e-mail address
and
> > started writing e-mails with her. After a few e-mails back and
> > forth, I sucessfully got her to meet me at a local coffeeshop.
Upon
> > her entry she came in and shook my hand as if I were a business
> > associate meeting a sales rep. We started a conversation, and
had a
> > very nice discussion, however I could not find a way to seguae
into
> > speaking romantically. I got her to laugh a lot, and was able to
use
> > my body language in such a manner that I got her to play with
her
> > hair for a bit. However after a while she crossed her arms. So I
> > leaned back in my chair and relaxed my breathing, and I got her
to
> > uncrossed her arms for a while, but I could tell she was not
making
> > great eye contact with me, and eventually crossed her arms
again.
> >
> > I’m not sure what this is all about. I sometimes get this with
> > women. It’s as if they are waiting for me to do something, I’m
just
> > not sure what. While we had a very interesting and intellectual
> > discussion, apearantly I failed to capture her imagination in
the
> > way that I want.
> >
> > So the end of our meeting came about, and she gave me her phone
> > number before she left. However before she left, she offered me
> > another complimentary handshake (to which I replied with a hug,
and
> > got a hug in return (cheesy I know, but I’m working on it)). She
did
> > agree to meet me again, but I’m not sure if I should call her. I
> > have other options, but I would like to see this young lady
again.
>
> If it felt like a business handshake to you it probably felt that
way
> to her also. It’s your job (the man’s job) to make it feel the way
you
> want it to feel. The name of this group is not “Guy Relaxes While
> Chick Seduces Him” okay? Your job is not to just hangout and judge
how
> sexy her handshakes are.
>
> Two questions:
> 1. How far did you want to get with her?
> 2. How far did you get, and where did she stop you?
>
> Stop it! Stop right now worrying about whether her arms are
crossed.
> Stop worrying about your body language and whether she touches her
> hair. That’s not a man’s job. Who is your prototypical man’s man?
Can
> you picture James Bond, Paul Newman, or Steve McQueen caring about
> whether her arms are crossed?
>
> When she crossed her arms it might have meant she was cold, maybe
it
> meant she was trying to hold her tits up to give you a great view
but
> you know what it probably meant? It meant, “poor me, I guess this
is
> another night where I’m sleeping alone. This guy isn’t interested
in
> me. I was hoping for romance and great sex. If I’m lucky I’ll get a
> business handshake at the hand.”
>
> What did you tell her at the end of the date? “You’re a nine, but
your
> handshakes are a four, I’m looking for better handshakes.”
>

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:29:01 -0000
From: “vanevery0”
Subject: Re: Approach at Diner?

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “B Wu” wrote:
>
> i go to a university and the diner is a great place where lots of
> girls are.
>
> what do you think are some of the best ways to try to approach and
> get numbers of girls?

Hi, I’m new to this list. No expert and here to learn. That said,
I’m 36 and have learned a few things over the years through trial and
error. Will be interesting to see how they square against received
wisdom here.

If women are together, you have to entertain all of them. If you
don’t, and just focus on 1 that you’re after, her friends will resent
that you interrupted them. They will gang up on you after you’re gone
and ruin your prospects. Conversely, if you entertain all of them,
they will all like you and say positive things about you.

I believe this is what “Wing Man” theory is about. It is possible,
however, to entertain 2 or 3 women solo. It gets more difficult the
more you add. Like keeping plates spinning on sticks!

A table of 6 women is impossible. Structurally, 1 of those 6 women is
required to be a catty bitch that hates you. It’s like a role, a
necessary function of them being out in a group. Either that or it’s
statistically likely that 1 of ’em isn’t getting any and resents that
you’re going after her friend.

Cheers,
Brandon Van Every

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:07:27 -0000
From: “straightrazr”
Subject: Re: Bouncing members?

‘bouncing’ means their emails are coming back returned because their
boxes are full, corrupted or otherwise inactive.

– Razr

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, Steve Reynolds
wrote:
>
> What is meant by “bouncing”?
>
> George wrote: Hey guys,
>
> I’m thinking about cleaning up the list and removing those members
> whose emails are bouncing. They’re really not reading the group and
> therefore I feel comfortable with deleting them.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Warmly,
> George
>
>
>

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:59:23 -0000
From: “George”
Subject: Re: Approach at Diner?

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “vanevery0”
wrote:
>
> — In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “B Wu” wrote:
> >
> > i go to a university and the diner is a great place where lots of
> > girls are.
> >
> > what do you think are some of the best ways to try to approach and
> > get numbers of girls?
>
> Hi, I’m new to this list. No expert and here to learn. That said,
> I’m 36 and have learned a few things over the years through trial and
> error. Will be interesting to see how they square against received
> wisdom here.
>
> If women are together, you have to entertain all of them. If you
> don’t, and just focus on 1 that you’re after, her friends will resent
> that you interrupted them. They will gang up on you after you’re gone
> and ruin your prospects. Conversely, if you entertain all of them,
> they will all like you and say positive things about you.
>
> I believe this is what “Wing Man” theory is about. It is possible,
> however, to entertain 2 or 3 women solo. It gets more difficult the
> more you add. Like keeping plates spinning on sticks!
>
> A table of 6 women is impossible. Structurally, 1 of those 6 women is
> required to be a catty bitch that hates you. It’s like a role, a
> necessary function of them being out in a group. Either that or it’s
> statistically likely that 1 of ’em isn’t getting any and resents that
> you’re going after her friend.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Brandon Van Every
>

I personally find Mystery’s approach to work best for GROUPS. I
normally don’t endorse anyone’s product, but I have to say that his
method for groups is simply THE MOST EFFECTIVE. How do I know this?
Well, I’ve always been good at one on one, but until I picked up his
tactics from alt.seduction.fast long ago, I really had a hit and miss
record with groups.

The method works great for lone girls too, but your opener has to be
modified– more direct to start with.

Warmly,
George

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:10:43 -0000
From: “B Wu”
Subject: Re: Approach at Diner?

I haven’t read mysteries yet, i have DYD and Alpha male stuff. what
does he say to do? and im’ also just talking about girls who are by
themselves, whether getting food or in line or sitting down by
themselves. i haven’t even though about doing a group approach yet.

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “George”
wrote:
>
> — In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “vanevery0”
> wrote:
> >
> > — In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “B Wu” wrote:
> > >
> > > i go to a university and the diner is a great place where lots
of
> > > girls are.
> > >
> > > what do you think are some of the best ways to try to approach
and
> > > get numbers of girls?
> >
> > Hi, I’m new to this list. No expert and here to learn. That
said,
> > I’m 36 and have learned a few things over the years through trial
and
> > error. Will be interesting to see how they square against
received
> > wisdom here.
> >
> > If women are together, you have to entertain all of them. If you
> > don’t, and just focus on 1 that you’re after, her friends will
resent
> > that you interrupted them. They will gang up on you after you’re
gone
> > and ruin your prospects. Conversely, if you entertain all of
them,
> > they will all like you and say positive things about you.
> >
> > I believe this is what “Wing Man” theory is about. It is
possible,
> > however, to entertain 2 or 3 women solo. It gets more difficult
the
> > more you add. Like keeping plates spinning on sticks!
> >
> > A table of 6 women is impossible. Structurally, 1 of those 6
women is
> > required to be a catty bitch that hates you. It’s like a role, a
> > necessary function of them being out in a group. Either that or
it’s
> > statistically likely that 1 of ’em isn’t getting any and resents
that
> > you’re going after her friend.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brandon Van Every
> >
>
>
> I personally find Mystery’s approach to work best for GROUPS. I
> normally don’t endorse anyone’s product, but I have to say that his
> method for groups is simply THE MOST EFFECTIVE. How do I know this?
> Well, I’ve always been good at one on one, but until I picked up his
> tactics from alt.seduction.fast long ago, I really had a hit and
miss
> record with groups.
>
> The method works great for lone girls too, but your opener has to be
> modified– more direct to start with.
>
>
>
> Warmly,
> George
>

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:54:44 -0000
From: “dddrsos”
Subject: Step by Step (day 14)

Well, I change a bit the structure of my missions to do it fast and
better (i think).
Now i’ll do it like this.
Mission nº1
-Ask girls for directions (50 Girls)—>50-14=36
-Make eye contact and smile (50 Girls)—>50-14=36
Mission nº2
-Say “hi” (100Girls)
Mission nº3
-Reporter Drill (100Girls)
Mission nº4
-Ask girls for coffe&drinks (25 Girls)

After this steps i will just invite girls to coffe and try to make all
the process of attraction and sex.

And today i do 14 aproaches to ask for directions and make eye contact
and smile with another 14 girls.

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:48:48 -0000
From: “David Caswell”
Subject: Re: Body Language

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “BrodToddman”
wrote:
>
> — In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, dee fex wrote:
> >
> > Great Post! I occasionally try to remember to try to pay attention
> to body language, but David I like your man’s man attitude better.

Here’s the problem with the whole IOI (Indicator of Interest) concept.
For this to really work you need to calibrate a chick. How does she
act when she’s interested? How does she act when she’s not interested?
I’ve never been able to bring in a bum and Brad Pitt and compare a
chick’s reaction to both guys.

I’ve seen lists with dozens of things that could be Indications of
Interest. But you will never know for sure whether she’s interested in
doing what you want to do, unless you try to do want you want to do.
She either will, or won’t. This keeps things very simple.

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:44:10 -0600
From:
Subject: Re: Re: Body Language

I agree, the Whole IOI thing is sometimes vastly overrated. I can usually tell
when there is serious interest there: major eye contact, grooming behavior, out
right smile, wink, etc….those, of course are easy. Where newbie PUAs miss out
is when they don’t get any of this, and, based on the lack of IOIs, decide not
to approach. Big mistake.

When i was a newbie PUA, I only went for women who pretty much beat me over the
head with “approach me, apporach me!” IOIs. And while that was an approach that
generally got me numbers and eventually dates, sex, etc, what it did not get me
is what i most wanted:control. By seeking out only women with body language
IOIs, i limited my “conquest” to those who expressed interest in me; thus
ceeding control, in true AFC fashion, to a woman.

To combat this, i began to consciously talk to any woman i found attractive,
whether or not she gave me IOIs. And what i found was that many women who are
interested dont necessarily show the blatant ioi signs or body language tip offs
that we might wait for or want to see or they dont show them when we, as men,
expect to see them. Many of the women who i just approached, IOI be damned,
later told me they noticed me BEFORE i approached them (and before i noticed
them in some instances), or that they had hoped i would say something to them.
So why no IOIs that i could discern? One thing i discovered is that women may
“check you out” or eye you long before you check them out or even notice them.
Walking down the street, for instance, many woman will look at you and make
decisions about you (based on your looks and the way you walk) long before you
are close enough to make regular eye contact. Women in street scenarios in
particular, may not feel comfortable making real eye contact up close, when most
men expect it, bu tmay have already checked you out and wouldn’t mind a hello,
etc.

I suppose the bottom line is, if you see something you like, approach w/o
regard to initial body language (obviously if she is sending signals, and she is
to your liking, go for it). The game gets interesting when you can lay down
enough “science” on her in that initial conversation to MAKE her attracted to
you….

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “David Caswell” <
> To: seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [seduction_dating] Re: Body Language
> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:48:48 -0000
>
>
> — In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “BrodToddman”
> wrote:
> >
> > — In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, dee fex wrote:
> > >
> > > Great Post! I occasionally try to remember to try to pay
> > attention to body language, but David I like your man’s man
> > attitude better.
>
> Here’s the problem with the whole IOI (Indicator of Interest) concept.
> For this to really work you need to calibrate a chick. How does she
> act when she’s interested? How does she act when she’s not interested?
> I’ve never been able to bring in a bum and Brad Pitt and compare a
> chick’s reaction to both guys.
>
> I’ve seen lists with dozens of things that could be Indications of
> Interest. But you will never know for sure whether she’s interested in
> doing what you want to do, unless you try to do want you want to do.
> She either will, or won’t. This keeps things very simple.
>