March 7 2006

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:35:47 -0000
From: “dddrsos”
Subject: Re: Step by Step (day 1)

-I need to make a more
> shympatic/confiant experssion when i look in their eyes.

“shympatic”? I don’t know what you mean by this.

A sympatic experssion here is for example make a mix of happy and
confiant face….like a good smile (without show the teeths).

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:23:14 -0000
From: “dddrsos” <
Subject: Step by Step (2 day)

This 2º day i decide to do the same thing of the 1º day, but now i was
more productive.
I asked 21 girls for the time (and smile) and make eye contact with 23
girls.
I think that a improve a little bit more my social skills, because
this day i feel more confiant in my missions and in all my day in
general when i speak with other people.
But i think that the 1º day the girls were more receptive with eye
contact and when they say me the time.
I have a question, when i aproach a girl i use the term “sorry” to
have their attention, but sometimes i feel that it make me in a
aplogise position. Do you think that i need to change this term?

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:58:44 -0000
From: “BrodToddman”
Subject: Re: Projecting Confidence/Assertiveness: not enough-too much!

I get the gist of what your saying but the above was meant to convey
frustration:

Think of itthis way, you are trying to find, as you said, “women who
I find attractive but I’m not really trying to find that stunner
where I have to work really hard to break down her resistance.” It
seems to me that this woman is the exact thing that you don’t want.

What I mean is she is not super great looking and why should I have
to break down her resistance. I don’t need a 10 I would be happy with
a decent girl who was maybe a six or so and normal.-really trying to
convey frustration I guess- but along with the other posts what your
saying does make sense and I will work to make a subconscious part of
my thinking about how to deal with women.

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “miles0029” wrote:
>
> I like the fact that you tried to get with her regardless of the
vibes
> she was sending you. I’ve come across a few of these girls too. They
> seem to give you IOI’s but when you respond back they back off. Like
> David C. said, she’s looking for excitement, and these types of
girls
> always fall in love with the jerks who have nothing to offer
in “our”
> perspective.
>
> There are a few things though that you may have done yourself in
on. I
> usually don’t like to give my number out to girls because…for the
> reason you apparently experienced…sometimes they don’t call. If
you
> get her #, the only way she can avoid you is if she doesn’t answer,
> and what’s so bad about that? Second of all, if you aren’t attracted
> by her and are more turned off, why keep going after her? Think of
it
> this way, you are trying to find, as you said, “women who I find
> attractive but I’m not really trying to find that stunner where I
have
> to work really hard to break down her resistance.” It seems to me
that
> this woman is the exact thing that you don’t want.
>
> The questions that you were asking yourself about your
attractiveness
> are irrevelant. I’ve found that if you think you look good, people
> around you believe it too. Build up your confidence and it works in
> more areas than just talking to women.
>
> Lastly, if this chick is some flaky ditz who is messing around with
a
> married man, she’s definetely not worth your time. You can do better
> if you know you can.
>
>
>
> Miles
>

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:22:44 +1100
From: “Hart, Simon”
Subject: RE: Re: Projecting Confidence/Assertiveness: n ot enough-too much!

>>I don’t need a 10 I would be happy with a decent girl who was maybe a six
or so and normal…

The more I learn about women, the more this common desire of men seems to me
to be possibly an illusion or a dream.

What is this idea about “a decent girl who is normal”?

When ever I hear that now, what I begin to hear underneath is: “I want a
girl who is sexy enough to make me hard, no hassle and who likes me for who
I am – then I’ll be able to relax and just hang out and not worry about this
area of life anymore and I can focus on other stuff.”

Right? Oh yes…

I used to have this dream, but now I don’t. I think I got it from being the
outside observer of friends who seemed to be happy in their relationship and
having no external drama, and I thought “that looks cool, I want that.”

But how do I know what it was like on the inside? AND is she still with him,
or is she now f**king someone else? Hmmm…

So I no longer think that way. To me now, learning to deal with women is
like learning to surf large waves. I will be happy when I can stay on the
board and not get wiped out or smashed onto the coral. I will be happy when
I have the skills to be able to pull tricks like ride tubes and generally
feel as though I have full mastery over this beast called the ocean.

You guys get what I mean?

S

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:41:49 -0000
From: “George”
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:01:11 -0000
From: “David Caswell”
Subject: Re: Projecting Confidence/Assertiveness: n ot enough-too much!

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “Hart, Simon”
wrote:
>
>
> >>I don’t need a 10 I would be happy with a decent girl who was
maybe a six
> or so and normal…
>
> The more I learn about women, the more this common desire of men
seems to me
> to be possibly an illusion or a dream.
>
> What is this idea about “a decent girl who is normal”?
>
> When ever I hear that now, what I begin to hear underneath is: “I want a
> girl who is sexy enough to make me hard, no hassle and who likes me
for who
> I am – then I’ll be able to relax and just hang out and not worry
about this
> area of life anymore and I can focus on other stuff.”
>
> Right? Oh yes…
>
> I used to have this dream, but now I don’t. I think I got it from
being the
> outside observer of friends who seemed to be happy in their
relationship and
> having no external drama, and I thought “that looks cool, I want that.”

I was going to write a really long reply to this and expand on all the
important lessons here but instead I’ll just ask a few questions:

1. What’s the lesson here about how an average looking women can still
be attractive to men?

2. What’s the lesson here about how a man who thinks he’s average
looking can create the same desire in women?

3. What’s the lesson here about how an average looking person doesn’t
want to be made to feel average looking and less valuable as a result?

4. What’s the lesson here for people who think they can have what they
want for little or no effort?

Great post Simon! It reminded me of a post I read over nine years ago:
http://tinyurl.com/o688q
I’ve been tempted, but I’ve never actually told a chick: Baby if he
wants you for your body, you should thank Allah!

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:25:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Re: Dancing girl

Meeting a girl you like and being put in the friend category can be a very
common occurrence. In order to effectively talk to women and generate
attraction try some of the classic techniques that are talked about here such as
teasing her a little, being a challenge, etc.

My favorite techniques are from speed seduction. Check out some of the posts
about SS at www.fastseduction.com and see if its for you. Basically it’s a set
of skills that helps you have meaningful conversations with women AND keeps you
out of the friend category.

Rob

Nick Snyder wrote:
I would like to find a girl that likes me. But this
is where I’m stuck. I’ve never met a girl that liked
me as anything more than a friend. Which makes me
wonder if I ever will. This is also why I want to stop
falling into the nice guy, wuss, door mat trap that
I’ve always found myself in. Because I’ve learned that
being a nice guy doesn’t work.

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:54:34 +1100
From: “Hart, Simon”
Subject: Hit a tough patch on Report Drill

I’m now going through a major tough patch with my reporter drill. I’m not
sure exactly what changed, but after girl 20 I began psyching myself out to
the max.

Since then I’ve only been able to do 3 more. Today I went out and FORCED
myself to do one more and it was the hardest approach yet.

It is like I have a split personality, and on one side I am this boisterous
confident dude, and then after about 2 weeks I swing into this black
disempowered paranoia. I’m starting to wonder if I’m frigin’ bipolar!

That’s where I am now. I have now become super choosey about who I approach,
like I walk around going “Not her……. not her……. not her…”

It’s weird, although I sort of knew this would happen. That’s why I chose to
do 60 approaches rather than 21 days. Maybe I need to do more than 60, but
anyway, I need to slog on through this tar pit and get on with it.

Just letting you guys know where its at.

S

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:35:05 -0000
From: “George”
Subject: Re: Hit a tough patch on Report Drill

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “Hart, Simon”
wrote:

>
> That’s where I am now. I have now become super choosey about who I
approach,
> like I walk around going “Not her……. not her……. not her…”
>
> It’s weird, although I sort of knew this would happen. That’s why I
chose to
> do 60 approaches rather than 21 days. Maybe I need to do more than
60, but
> anyway, I need to slog on through this tar pit and get on with it.
>
> Just letting you guys know where its at.
>
> S
>

Simon,

This is not uncommon, trust me on this one. When I was training sales
people, they told me the same thing. I also had a similar experience.
This is your unconscious telling you in whiny voice/pouty lips “But I
don’t like to change…I like the do things they way I’m used to”.

I don’t mean to oversimplify this, but it’s really this simple.

Accept it for what it is and push through it. That’s the only way to
teach your unconscious that you’re in charge.

Warmly,
George

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:35:21 +1100
From: “Hart, Simon”
Subject: RE: Re: Hit a tough patch on Report Drill

>>This is not uncommon, trust me on this one. When I was training sales
people, they told me the same thing. I also had a similar experience.
This is your unconscious telling you in whiny voice/pouty lips “But I
don’t like to change…I like the do things they way I’m used to”.

Yeah right… OK I’m inspired!

F**K YOU SUBCONSCIOUS!!! THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THIS! THERE IS NO ESCAPE!

HA HA HAAAAAAAARRRR!!!

>:)

S

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:50:29 +1100
From: “Hart, Simon”
Subject: RE: Re: Projecting Confidence/Assertiveness: n ot enough-too much!

Interesting questions Dave, and that post you linked to is hardcore…

S

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:09:05 -0000
From: “George”
Subject: Re: Hit a tough patch on Report Drill

— In seduction_dating@yahoogroups.com, “Hart, Simon”
wrote:
>
>
> >>This is not uncommon, trust me on this one. When I was training sales
> people, they told me the same thing. I also had a similar experience.
> This is your unconscious telling you in whiny voice/pouty lips “But I
> don’t like to change…I like the do things they way I’m used to”.
>
> Yeah right… OK I’m inspired!
>
> F**K YOU SUBCONSCIOUS!!! THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THIS! THERE IS NO
ESCAPE!
>
> HA HA HAAAAAAAARRRR!!!
>
> >:)
>
> S
>

All right…shall I take this as sarcasm?

George

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:24:45 +1100
From: “Hart, Simon”
Subject: RE: Re: Hit a tough patch on Report Drill

>>All right…shall I take this as sarcasm?

No I’m serious. I felt a rush of inspiration after reading your words about
it not being uncommon. I just hope I feel this way tomorrow when it’s time
to go do it again.

S

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:09:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Chunwah Ho
Subject: Constructing Routines

Hey guys,

I’m curious, how many of you construct your own
routines. I was wondering if it’s a good idea to do
that because then it will guarantee to be original but
it might not be as good as the popular ones (why
invent the wheel right?) What do you guys think?

Any advice on how to do that correctly? I feel like a
comedian coming up with my own material.

Chun